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Trip and T'pol come together without having Vulcan neuropressure

Discussion in ' Star Trek: Enterprise ' started by sekundant , Jun 28, 2018 .

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OK, I come back again this thread, while I read too many fanfics at last couple of weeks which are mostly dedicated to TnT stories. I think there are too many people here which have done it already during all the years or even wrote some fanfics. I do not give you some kind "heyy I find a music band called Metallica, they are surprisingly good" feeling but I have to say despite to my first and very limited experiences with Star Trek Enterprise fanfics, I find this time some of them are really good. Maybe the ones which I read before were not for my taste. I did not get the point why Trip or T'Pol have to suffer worst kind of fate proposals, mental disabilities, etc and their characters became unrecognizable. (The same did by novels without any logical reason. I have to admit, I do not like novel Trip or T'Pol anymore. And I say this as someone who were witness and victim of a civil war. I know what can a war make to human soul, but what the authors made of from TnT is very unrealistic and senseless to me. Well, this is not what I want to discuss here. ) Some fanfic authors do not take canon seriously and I feel mostly it is ok, since we can profit from unbound fantasy of the "artist" . (I mean canon is a thing but I had a issue with inconsistency). Nevertheless, I am not sure if we can consider their solutions for our thread. Good example for such a fanfic is Rigil Kent's Divergent Paths which is begin after second season episode " Dead Stop" goes through in an alternative universe. TnT were lost in a prewarp planet, are declared as dead, so they have to fight for survive and try to find a way to back and before this happen (it takes even tooo much time) they find a way to each other. Not my favorite one, a little bit cliche, but indeed well written fanfic. Most of the fanfics still choose VPN as a initial ignition for the TnT. Another most chosen motive is pon farr (also I read at one from year 2002(!) a term which I did not even it exists: "pon frell" the female pon farr, laugh about the creativity of author.) I think they belong together as yin yang and it is the matter of time for such smart people to release it. If we had some good writers and BnB reign did not last so long, they could find a satisfying/ fantastic way to make them a helluva team.  

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My favoritest place for Trip/T'Pol fanfiction is at the great House of Tucker, a lovely watering hole for T/T fans back in the day. Wonderful, creative, tons of talent. The archive is closed to new stories now, but if you want to look at some fine fanfic, check it out: Trip/T'Polers Fanfiction Archive If you don't know where to start, you might try Ragua's "Miscommunication," one of my all-time favorites.  

Ohh, Misscommunication is a crazy, funny story. I converted it to pdf file and sent my best Trekkie-sister with the hint " open ONLY in case of emergency such as winter blues, broken heart symptoms, chocolate withdrawal" As you said, it is unbelievable how many talented people with incredible passion and sincerity share their fantasy with us. If one of them "Hopeful Romantic" is really you are, I want to say how grateful I am to all of you. (Now I am reading "...Touching and Touched" . It is great to know someone gives Lorian a possibility to meet his grandpa and getting faced him in subtle way with his prejudices ) After TATV and all the novels, I was very disappointed about Romulan wars, about TnT, about character developments of nearly all main characters (incl. Shran), about first steps to Federation.. Some of the story arches can be easy called solid/good/great scifi and it is fair to say this, but they can be any random scifi. Maybe I have problem with my ears and could not hear the voices of my beloved protagonists, but I do not understand why this unremarkable, loser Archer should be the future president of Federation and idol of child T. Kirk, why T'Pol became this wooden, whiny, devote female at her relationship, why still loves she this horrible person, why Trip is so unlikable, stupid, ruthless asshole who imitates a sophisticated one? As I told before, I really know what a war can do with a person/society and not surprised, if they lost some challenges here and there and getting darker, being insecure, being introvert, acting irritated, still bleeding from invisible wounds, whatsoever. Nevertheless, even persons with dementia have their moments, that they can be a person who they were. A mimic, a blaze of look, a memory from childhood, something. We are all changing as a human beings and not always in positively direction, but not totally denying who we are. So, I want to declare here all fanfic authors (even untalented ones ) and all fan filmers (even very unprofessional ones ) my love from the bottom of my heart to giving to me hope, respect and joy about a steady component of my life.  

I love "E2" and I especially love Lorian. I would have really enjoyed watching that storyline continue in the series, and seeing how he influenced Trip and T'Pol... which is why there's fanfiction! Thanks for the kind words. You are the passionate reader that all writers dream of. Happy reading.  

I would like to read new ENT stories from you. It's a great pity, that there are too much uncompleted fantastic ENT fanfics, just like Star Trek Endeavour series. As I began first time to read ENT fanfic, what disturb me was the obsession with rape. T'Pol get raped, Malcolm get brutally raped, all the female crew members get raped, Hoshi get tortured and raped, Trip get gang raped by Orions, and so on.. I saw only once a warning about the content. Please do not get me wrong, I have nothing against using a rape motive at the fanfic. It is possible that author want to process his/her experience or testimony or as an expert want to help the victims in this way. Trek was never only entertainment, for example TNG's Chain of Command was supported by Amnesty of International and made great enlightenment work, imho. So why not Trek fanfic does not touch such social issues. My problem with those kind of fanfics was, rape has no influence to the story arch or to character development, totally unnecessary act of violation. After couple of sorrow looks on their eyes they get "over with it" and at the next opportunity have a great sensual, wild sex with their partners or miraculously their memories erased, etc. I did not think it is a kind of perversity of authors, but using a very cheap trick to manipulate their readers. As a fan, of course it is shocking to read something terribly about your favorite protagonists and you keep reading to know about their fates. As I began to read fanfics, I want to read the fanfics which are published during the show was on air, that was my only criteria. I wanted to know, if show and expectations of fans were closely to each other. It was surprising to me that people could predict about Hoshi's development, Bromance of Malcolm and Trip, Dr. Phlox's role as a confident person for the crew, very good written Archer as a captain and TnT.. Even they have better stories about TCW to tell. Maybe I have read random 10-15 fanfics at least 5 have such rape scenes and I thought perhaps it was some kind of trend at that time and I gave it up to read them. Ach, I forget to make a mention of another kind of "coming together" of TnT at fanfics: mind melt. T'pol has to initiate a mind melt for whatever reason (he is badly wounded she wants give him relax or they need a very important information, he lost his memory etc.) aaand they release, he loves her/she loves him. Nevertheless, i think, it was not a good idea for the show, since she has still suffered from Pa'nar syndrome until Vulcan trilogy. She would not proceed a mind melt to protect Trip from the disease.  

I cannot speak for any other fanfiction writers, but the reason I did it was 1) the show had so much unrealized potential that 2) wasn't being explored, due to 3) the constraints of TV parameters and 4) the desperate 4th season dash to cram 4 seasons of stuff into that last season, thereby 5) abandoning a slew of interesting storylines that I wanted to see continue or be resolved...so... Regarding content...if one type of story isn't your thing, skip it. There are plenty more. A writer working for no pay other than reader comments is fueled by passion, a desire or need to tell the story, or tell it differently than the show did, maybe just see a scene that the show didn't have, or fix a plot that was royally screwed up. Like, for example, T'Plot Device--er, Koss, cooked up to waylay the T/T buildup of the previous season. Which brings us back on topic. I do wonder sometimes how Season 3 and the T/T storyline would have developed if the network hadn't insisted on ramping up the sexy, and the show had been guaranteed 7 seasons with no cancellation worries. With Manny Coto there to tell great stories like "Similitude," I think T/T would have progressed, rather than be derailed in Season 4. And no stupid breakup and stooopid Trip suicide in stupendously stupid TATV. More like, hopefully, a metaphor for the growing Earth/Vulcan alliance, and a trail blazed for Sarek and Amanda to follow. It would have been glorious. [/Kor]  

I do wonder sometimes how Season 3 and the T/T storyline would have developed if the network hadn't insisted on ramping up the sexy Click to expand...

I don't know why there wasn't more romance on the show. The whole cast was attractive inside and out... well, Phlox was Phlox. And he was married, though that did not seem to be an impediment. If Ensign Cutler had survived, maybe. I loved Archer's romance in "Civilization." I wanted more of that! But he wasn't a girl-in-every-port kinda guy, certainly not like Kirk. He seemed to be that classic type of captain, married to his ship. But what a waste! There seemed to be a weird mix of immature little-boy drooling (topless Hoshi, Decon) and prim modesty (sexy as hell Mirror Hoshi in her bra after hot sex with Archer?) to the show. Anthony Montgomery was like a Greek god, that body. Bakula and Trinneer, also gorgeous. Jolene in her white catsuit was breathtaking, especially in Season 3 when they improved her hair and makeup and gave her the right eyebrows. There was a lot of setup for more romance in the last 3 seasons...oh wait.  

Well, I do not know why I steady come back to this thread. Nevertheless, it is ok for me, since it is the reason why this platform anyway existing. I think, I am trying to catch up quickly (may be most of) you already discussed all these years. Although, at the first sight, it seems to be meaningless at the end of day, all quite on ENT front. Yes, there is nothing new at that front, but we are changing, our needs are changing. So, I am here, for my own reasons. I watched the Blu- ray release interview from 2016. Braga stylized himself a little bit victim of Berman (he doesn't have father and Berman was for him a replacement, that's why he couldn't deny some stupid ideas) and studios ( they were not agree with half season at earth for recruiting and preparing of the first mission, so he has to use Temporary Cold War motive which was planned for a completely different show). He said his apologies to everyone. Two of them are interesting for this thread. First one is to Jolene Blalock for "Trip issue". She was not happy with it handling of relationship. She was for "all or nothing" thing, not "between" something. Braga also said that he should talk often with her about her claim. Second one was for Connor Trinneer about Decon scene, at the time as he said that, CT was already left the interview (it was also a little bit awkward). So they dropped rash the topic and the reason for apologize is not clear for me. I assume, it is not about existing the scene, since JB is still there and he said nothing to her. Is it something about to sale Trips underwear at auction, isn't it a urban legend ? If it is not hoax, i think it is very vulgar behavement to do someone this without his/her permission. Does someone know what are they talking about? For the first one, JB has right, imho. I never understand why TnT has to fight against sooo many difficulties and unlimited agonies have to occur, the barriers between them must be so high, so they have to practically forced to coming together by VPN, instead of having steadily developed relationship of two mature people from very different two cultures. As we mentioned above, ENT had a great potential of romance which is definitely wasted. I mean of course not, ENT should be one of the soap operas everyone get together/in love with everyone (Upps, I do not want to offend DS9 people ) . Only one who could get regularly some love/romance/sex interest was Trip and he was always the one who seduced. After they gave up to making from him a new and unnecessary version of Kirk/ Riker/ Paris, the character could become his deepness. As I said before for me TnT symbolizes the crashing/connecting the logic and emotions ( yin-yang or materialist dialectic law of the unity and conflict of opposites or whatever you want to name it) and More like, hopefully, a metaphor for the growing Earth/Vulcan alliance, and a trail blazed for Sarek and Amanda to follow. Click to expand...

^^ You keep coming back here because you love Trip & T'Pol! Back in the day, there was a legion of T/T shippers. We had a permanent appreciation thread for them. We cheered for every encounter and threw things at our TVs when the writers did stupid plot turns like Koss. We dissected every word between them, every look, every touch. You're one of us, just a few years removed. Sure, it's just a TV show. But when you're a fan, you're emotionally invested. We saw gobs of potential in the relationship - the Vulcan-human alliance metaphor, the precursor to Sarek and Amanda, the chemistry! We saw it in the 1st season, before the writers or the actors even saw it. It was disappointing to see all that potential explored in Season 3 with "Similitude," "The Forgotten," "E2" - then see it mostly derailed in Season 4 as cancellation loomed and showier plots took precedence. And don't get me started with TATV. Why all the angst and soap opera with T/T? First of all, drama = conflict. The "will they, won't they" situation is as old as storytelling. How many sparring couples have finally declared their love for each other, then their show promptly tanks? Because happily ever after is boring, drama-wise. Not many shows have succeeded in working the question of, how can they make the relationship work, despite the obstacles they face? For example, "Dr. Quinn: Medicine Woman" did it really well, because the writers worked hard to keep the obstacles coming but still have this wonderful love story. The ENT writers took the simple, stupid soap opera route - the previously jilted ex shows up and our two lovebirds are forced apart. Trip has a hissy and switches jobs. What a baby. But not really, they were just writing him out of character, it wasn't really his fault. Even Archer was confused. It would have been better to get T/T together and watch them navigate through T'Pol's new emotions, and Earth xenophobia, and the bond, and conflicts like that. Maybe if they had all 7 seasons, no cancellation pressure, Manny "Similitude" Coto running the show, we might have gotten that. But we'll always have Paris-- er, Sim's love confession, and Trip's breakdown with T'Pol in "The Forgotten," and other great little romance tidbits. And TATV was a crappy hologram anyway. We get to imagine a happily ever after if we want.  

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Why enterprise’s trip & t’pol romance was so controversial (but still good).

Star Trek: Enterprise’s Trip & T’pol’s relationship was polarizing to viewers. Fans either loved it or hated it, and the reasons are surprising.

The romance between human Charles "Trip" Tucker III & Vulcan T'pol on Star Trek: Enterprise was very controversial for a few reasons, but still fun to watch. Star Trek: Enterprise , which ran from 2001-2005, has long been regarded as one of the least successful iterations of the franchise, but it introduced many unique story elements not seen in other Star Trek series. Nearly two decades since the series ended, their romance is still a subject of heated fan debate. For all that it remains controversial, Trip and T’Pol’s relationship was ultimately a good addition to the franchise, allowing Star Trek to explore relationships in ways it never had before.

This relationship was controversial for several reasons, and one big one is that it involved more obvious sex than other Star Trek relationships. In most Star Trek romances (such as Star Trek: The Next Generation 's William T Riker and Deanna Troi’s love story ), physical intimacy is more implied than shown. For instance, viewers see passionate kisses, and then the door is kicked closed. If a couple is in bed together, the light level is too low to see anything explicit. In Star Trek: Enterprise , however, viewers saw extended, well-lit love scenes, such as the infamous steamy shower scene. While some didn't enjoy this departure from the norm, others liked seeing a show for adults explore relationships in this way.

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The Problems with Enterprise's Trip & T'Pol Romance

However, Star Trek: Enterprise fans who enjoyed the more explicit aspects of the relationship could still see some problems with it. First, it seemed to come out of nowhere. T’pol and Trip had no lead-up to a relationship until the end of season 2 when tragedy struck with the Xindi attack on Earth. Their weapon killed millions, including Trip’s sister, Elizabeth. As a result of his grief, Trip couldn't sleep. T'Pol was asked by starship Enterprise doctor, Dr. Phlox, to use Vulcan neuropressure to help him relax. This was the catalyst for T'Pol and Trip developing feelings for each other, culminating in sex.

After they were somewhat improbably brought together, Trip and T'pol faced many threats to their relationship. Trouble and heartache existed around every corner. No sooner had T'pol confessed her feelings to Trip than she was convinced to go through with a long-arranged marriage to another Vulcan. She quickly divorced, but then she and Trip discovered that a rogue group had stolen their DNA and created a child. They warmed to the idea of raising a child, but it turned out that errors in the genetic engineering of the baby meant she would not survive. In the end, Trip’s self-sacrificial death for the Enterprise denied them both any chance of a happy resolution to their relationship.

Trip & T'Pol Are Defined By Their Romance (But That's Good)

Nearly 20 years after Star Trek: Enterprise ended, the romance between T’pol and Trip still defines them, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. It was a controversial relationship, but it did allow the characters to explore and grow. T'pol was more emotional than most Vulcans but definitely more detached than most humans. Conversely, Trip was rash and arrogant even by human standards. These differences caused friction but also allowed them to learn from each other. T'pol had to really think about whether she wanted to pursue the Vulcan culture of duty or a human one of choice. Trip became a safe way for her to explore her emotions, and T'pol became that for Trip as she helped him through trauma and grief.

Ultimately, Trip and T’Pol’s failed Star Trek romance was important for Star Trek: Enterprise to explore. After all, the show was set in the pre-United Federation of Planets era of space exploration. This means that, chronologically, theirs would have been one of the first relationships between a human and a compatible species. As controversial as it was, it made sense for such an uncharted relationship type to be as full of drama as it was.

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Star Trek | Archer and T’Pol Were Enterprise’s Real Love Story

While Star Trek: Enterprise tried to force a T’Pol and Tucker romance, the real power couple and One True Pairing was Archer and T’Pol.

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In most entertainment - television shows, books, and movies - there's something satisfying about seeing the primary characters get together romantically. It's the essence of great storytelling.

Joseph Campbell, a Jungian psychologist, understands the art of storytelling; he’s been cataloging story similarities between cultures and mythos. Among good storytelling, Campbell also addresses romance. He describes three types of love. One is a love for humanity, an impersonal, general love. Base desire – such as pornography – is eros . Amor is more idealistic – it’s romantic love. Amor , he urges, is the most personal type of love because it includes the mind and heart.

In television, movies, and books the most exciting love is when those loves align – there is eros , but more importantly, there’s amor – true love.

That’s why one of the most compelling pairings in Star Trek is that of Star Trek: Enterprise ’s Captain Jonathan Archer (Scott Bakula) and his first officer, Sub-Commander T’Pol (Jolene Blalock).

Looking for Amor in Kirk/Spock

I’ve always loved Star Trek: The Original Series. I started watching in syndication back when I was about four years old. I had the entire Star Trek bridge toy set, Star Trek Color forms, View Masters from episodes, etc. At an early age, I was a nerd. When I was around ten, I picked up a fanzine at a bookstore that discussed the possibility of a Star Trek movie, before Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979) became reality.

As I leafed through the zine, I saw a story about Kirk (William Shatner) and Spock (Leonard Nimoy) being a couple … a romantic couple.

Despite being heterosexual, I understand why those stories exist. Kirk and Spock risked their lives and reputations for each other regularly, defying orders. That kind of devotion is certainly love ( amor ), and it’s not a leap to call it romantic love.

Before there were Kirk and Spock, there was Captain Christopher Pike (Jeffrey Hunter) and his first officer, Number One (Majel Barrett). Pike relied on her but didn’t notice her romantically until the Talosians offered her as a potential mate for him in the unbroadcast Star Trek: The Original Series pilot episode ‘The Cage’ (S1, Ep?) . Maybe they had insight into her and Pike’s desires? When offered, though, Pike thought the idea was tempting.

To take a more recent (relatively) example, in Star Trek: Voyager there’s chemistry between Chakotay (Robert Beltran) and Janeway (Kate Mulgrew). He’s her sounding board and confidant, willing to risk his life and reputation for her. She’s willing to do just about anything for him. Again, it’s not a stretch there’s amor .

Star-Crossed Lovers Outside of Star Trekl

Forget Star Trek for a second. Science fiction is filled with examples of potential couples. In just about every incarnation of Doctor Who , the Doctor has a companion he/she relies on. Nine (Christopher Eccleston) and Ten (David Tennant) had Rose Tyler (Billie Piper). Eleven (Matt Smith) had Amelia Pond (Karen Gillan), Twelve (Peter Capaldi) had Clara (Jenna Coleman), and Thirteen (Jodie Whittaker) had Yaz (Mandip Gill).

The chemistry – often romantic, sometimes quasi-romantic – between leads is why people tune in.

There’s Farscape – where John (Ben Browder) and Aeryn (Claudia Black) – start as enemies and learn to trust each other, becoming a couple. And John Crichton’s only competition is … well John Crichton. In The X-Files , Scully (Gillian Anderson) and Mulder (David Duchovny) are equals with opposing viewpoints. He wants to believe in UFOs and the paranormal, but she’s a physician devoted to science. Along the way, they’re both changed to meet in the middle. It’s the same with Flash Gordon , Babylon 5 , Buck Rogers , Space 1999 , Blake’s 7 – they all have male and female leads that cause viewers to keep coming back.

More than Cheers or Moonlight ’s “will they, won’t they” – there’s caring and support in life and death situations.

Shakespeare pairs couples together based on meeting some specific criteria – they’re attracted to each other and they have similarities. For example, in Much Ado About Nothing (1598/9) , Beatrice and Benedict may spar and spark at each other, but they are both quick-witted, funny, and underneath it all kind. In the Taming of the Shrew (1590/2) , Petruchio and Katherina may initially lash out at each other, but they are well-matched. They’re both head-strong and both smart.

In Jane Austen’s Pride and Prejudice (1813) , Elizabeth Bennet and Mr. Darcy are equals who immediately have a strong negative reaction to each other. The book demonstrates how once Elizabeth gets to know Darcy that he’s really her equal.

Again, these examples outside of science fiction show amor and eros working together.

Shipping Archer and T’Pol

Shippers aren’t people who like Constitution-class vessels. In fandoms, shippers are known as someone who cares about relationships (usually romantic).

Although I liked Spock’s attachment to the Romulan Commander (Joanne Linville) in the Star Trek: The Original Series episode ‘The Enterprise Incident’ (S3, EP2) , I don’t really care about romance. I never knew what a shipper was until Star Trek: Enterprise . I was in it for the Trek .

I cringed when I saw Commander Trip Tucker (Connor Trinneer) and Sub-Commander T’Pol in the decontamination chamber together, rubbing gel on each other under faint blue light. It seemed silly. It seemed cliché. In fact, I was ready to stop watching. Eros .

But when the episode was over, I noticed a friendship blooming between two different characters: Captain Jonathan Archer and his first officer, T’Pol. Nearly every week, Star Trek: Enterprise had an episode where two characters cared a lot about each other. He sacrificed his life. She gave up her career. It was true in episode after episode. Amor . Archer and T’Pol grew on me.

What I loved most about it is what I missed from Star Trek: The Original Series – character-driven plots that explored Vulcans, Andorians, Tellarites, and character relationships.

I also loved that Archer and T’Pol had the classic elements of romance building – not getting along, becoming equals, admitting attraction, standing up for each other, and saving each other’s lives.

Archer and T’Pol’s Initial Conflict

There’s conflict between the two leads immediately. Jonathan Archer’s father was personally held back by the Vulcans, never getting to see his engine completed. T’Pol believed humans were inferior to Vulcans. When T’Pol was assigned to Enterprise, sparks flew. Neither she nor Captain Archer trusted each other until he risked his life defending her in the Star Trek: Enterprise pilot ‘Broken Bow’ (S1, Ep1-2). From there, a friendship slowly emerged.

Although the issue of him not trusting Vulcans comes up after the first season – such as in the Star Trek: Enterprise episode ‘Impulse’ (S3, Ep5) – viewers know they do indeed trust each other. In fact, they’ve given their lives for each other.

After Surak (Bruce Gray)’s katra inhabits Archer in ‘Awakening’ (S4, Ep8) , the captain understands even more about what being Vulcan is about. In one episode, he’s even able to help T’Pol conduct a Mind Meld. By understanding more about her race, he’s bridged the divide completely between them.

Archer and T’Pol Discover Mutual Respect

It’s important in every type of romance that the two leads are equal not necessarily in rank (although there are arguably issues of consent), but in other aspects, such as intelligence, wisdom, and emotional stability. Because T’Pol is a more emotional Vulcan, she needs a less emotional human – which is the exact opposite of what Sarek (Spock’s father) needs. It’s why his relationship with Amanda (Spock’s mother – a human) sort of works.

T’Pol leans on Archer’s emotional stability several times, such as in the Star Trek: Enterprise episode ‘The Seventh’ (S2, Ep7) when she’s capturing Menos (Bruce Davison). She doesn’t need just someone she trusts; she needs someone who’s grounded. It’s that support that also helped her in ‘Impulse’ (S3, Ep5).

There are a variety of episodes that show Archer and T’Pol are equals, including the Star Trek: Enterprise episode ‘Shockwave, Part II’ (S2, Ep1) , where T’Pol stands up for Archer and the humans. Her telling Ambassador Soval (Gary Graham) the humans are ready to explore space puts Vulcans and humans on equal footing. She even joins Archer at the viewscreen.

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